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Controller · Jun 06, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Real problem is that a lot of europeans started the game on Us servers (for some reasons) and others r moving there every day (not me).
Solution is so easy...force europeans to play on European servers, I know we could have the 0.1% americans that live in Europe complaining about this but if Anet does not do this Europe will die (with the WaW concept).

Great Gjl · Jun 06, 2005, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Vanqor

I like the new districts, cuz it was frustrating to see german and french text all the time

I'd much rather listen to racism/ego driven flame wars in French/German than in English, and that's pretty much the only dialogue in town worth commenting on. Everything else is just trade/LFG spam over and over. Hardly a loss I say.

Lief · Jun 06, 2005, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Hoping to add a few ex-DaoC / CS players to our guild, bunch of hardcore PvPers, see if we can make a dent into europe's suckiness.

Probably not

Mormegil · Jun 06, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Picking up a group in the most advanced areas of the game is nearly impossible. If you get to US servers, you'll see these regions crowded in any time of the day. And yes, they know what they're doing, while german/italian/french don't.

Shadow_Avenger · Jun 06, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

The seems to be a hugh difference in server population that also has alot to do with the above.
Having hopped between euro and american, I noticed that the american servers have 2-3x as many districts active per area compared to european areas. ( and this is playing random gmt times between 10am-12pm )
I personally like the splitting of euro zone into languages, it doesn't stop you mingling, but it makes it easier to find same language players.
Not been to the desert yet, as this tends to be the areas where the districts seem to be the smallest.
If anything, maybe A.net sould merge districts if amount of players in district is <10. Send all players to english district, (basically most europeans can speak / type english)

CtrlAltDel · Jun 06, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

so we need to worry about how much europe stinks 'cause they cant even stay on their own servers and run to the american ones...and then complain there is nobody on the euro servers...comeon

Mr. Matt · Jun 06, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Here's an amazing fact -- Europe will never be competitive if everyone moves out.

Yabba · Jun 06, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

And yes, they know what they're doing, while german/italian/french don't.

phew, i`m lucky that i`m greek so i know what i`m doing (living in germany though. perhaps that makes me know only partly what i`m doing)

nice generalizations here as usual in such threads.

the only problem in europe is that there aren´t enough people playing so teams most lack of players especially monks.
and with so many euros playing on us server and many more to change to them due to the new (quite empty) language districts situation won´t get better in near future.

but i guess it´s human nature. people always choose the easiest way that is in GW changing to us server ...

Mormegil · Jun 06, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

so we need to worry about how much europe stinks 'cause they cant even stay on their own servers and run to the american ones...and then complain there is nobody on the euro servers...comeon

The problem is I left the european servers BECAUSE there was nobody to form a group with in the last areas of the game. Farming in Perdition Rock with just 4 ppl, 3 warriors and a ranger is one of the saddest things I've ever done in my net-gaming life. Forming a group like this took about 30 minutes, but getting our sorry butts kicked by the mobs took waaaaaay less.

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Originally Posted by Yabba

but i guess it´s human nature. people always choose the easiest way that is in GW changing to us server ...

What, should I suffer a doomed fate and stay in the european servers just because I live in Europe? Should I waste my time just to form 4-6 ppl groups? Of course not. You know, I kind of bought the game like everyone, so that I deserve a decent gaming experience. Three people in the english district in dragons lair IS NOT a decent gaming experience, if you're wondering. I'll get back to Europe with infinite pleasure IF and WHEN they'll fix this language district issue. And, plz, don't tell me "everyone goes to the english districts in the end" because it's simply false. If you say that you're not so far in the game.

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Originally Posted by Yabba

nice generalizations here as usual in such threads

Frankly, I didnt want to sound rude or generalize at all. Call it an impression, but...I had to wait like 2 weeks to get to the Underworld, cos no Eu clan could win 5 times in a row. I eventually had to get to the american servers to visit it. When american teams face european ones in the HoH, they just win 80% of the times. Koreans laugh at us. Proportionally, the average player in the US server knows it better, way better. I'm not saying he's nicer or something. He's just more experienced. I'm not even saying there can't be exceptions, but thats the average case.

Pandora's box · Jun 06, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Controller

Real problem is that a lot of europeans started the game on Us servers (for some reasons) and others r moving there every day (not me).
Solution is so easy...force europeans to play on European servers, I know we could have the 0.1% americans that live in Europe complaining about this but if Anet does not do this Europe will die (with the WaW concept).

I live in Europe and the reason I did not buy WOW is: I cant join American servers! Playing online games is fun because of the many people from all over the world you can meet. I stopped buying games that force you into your own country/region. Basicly the way GW is split up is not such a big problem. Its only the Favor of Gods that make players feel that the choice of a region is important. But what if the Favor of the Gods did not go to Korea, America or Europe, but to "The Red Dragons", "Tigerclaws" or "Polar Bears"? Organizations? And your GUILD has to join one of them, no matter from what country you are? It would be more of a challenge and make gameplay much more international. Just my 2-pence

Deagol · Jun 06, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

But what if the Favor of the Gods did not go to Korea, America or Europe, but to "The Red Dragons", "Tigerclaws" or "Polar Bears"? Organizations? And your GUILD has to join one of them, no matter from what country you are? It would be more of a challenge and make gameplay much more international. Just my 2-pence

Hear! Hear! Much better than the current system.

There should be some benefit of joining the weaker organization though, maybe 1% death penalty to the top organization, and 1% morale boost to the bottom organization in tombs fight between teams of different organizations.

WillOrWil · Jun 06, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

You guys ever think it might just be style of play and not lack of players for the lack of controlling the HoH? I mean no offense by this. But different cultures do have different ways of approaching different situations. The best example of this I can think of (that has the most distinct differences to use as examples) is when I used to play Halo for PC.

Players from America and from Asia always tried to do team play that always ended up with people going up against one another guns blazing.

What I noticed with EU players was that EU players would always stand back as a group and toss grenades as fast and as much as they could. This led to them being slaughtered regularly.

I've noticed this as well whenever I've entered the HoH or even played GvG. EU players "seem" to not be as aggressive as those from Asia or America. I mean, you have to think of it like this. Both sides are "trying" to work as a team. That being said...the side being the most aggressive is usually going to win. As is said, the best defense is a good offense.

Yabba · Jun 06, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Mormegil

When american teams face european ones in the HoH, they just win 80% of the times. Koreans laugh at us. Proportionally, the average player in the US server knows it better, way better. I'm not saying he's nicer or something. He's just more experienced. I'm not even saying there can't be exceptions, but thats the average case.

usually i laugh when i see any us team because in most cases they start trashtalking and acting like some wannabe tough guys and then get beaten.

just 3 things that happened yesterday when i was in the hoh with pug grps.

1.) 1vs1 vs us team:
us people start talking:
ha, no koreans, euros suck. you`re so dead, we will pwn you.
1 min later the us team was beaten (and the pug grp i was in was bad. i`m a very experienced player and can tell in seconds if i`m in a bad team. the next fight we lost against an international guild team)

2.) 1vs1 against an (unknown) us guild team. this time i was in a good pug.

no trashtalking before fight (i guess the us guild was busy in their ts or ventrilo

).
2 mins later the us team was dead.
us guys start talking: wtf !! how could a sucking euro team beat us. euros suck !

3.) 6 team match. 3 teams left over. 1 korea, 1 us and our euro pug.
after 10 mins stand off and koreans calling for 1vs1 the us team logs completely off ...

korean team and my team meet in the middle and have a nice fight. korea team dead after 2 mins.
no trashtalk. only "good fight" and such.

it doesn´t matter from which country players come. the only porblem euro pick up groups have is the lack of players.
it`s hard to build a good group if there are not the classes around needed for the team template.

the only bane of pickup groups in the hoh are well organized and build guild/pvp teams.
doesn´t matter from which country.

eventhorizen · Jun 06, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Well im not sure how many exactly, but I know a huge number of Europeans play on the American server. I wouldnt be suprised if the US server was infact th home of the majority of UK players.

Europe might suck, but what you gonna do? Keep insulting us? Id rather not join the american servers, even if they are superior in all aspects of GW to Europeans. Im just not.. American.

Having said that I am Scottish, so I accept this personal challange from the US of A to absolutly own them as much as is possible on an online game, and I look forward to taking your racist slurs personally and unleashing my anger in game.

You see once the initial rush of forum searching for strats and guides and ideas dies down, and the amazing effort of farming and trading uber items grind to a halt, im pretty confident the European mind will conquer. After all it killed the Neanderthals, clonised the ENTIRE world, created the atomic bomb, modern military strategy, and has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa.
Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today.

Ah yes. The rest of the world may have their laugh and insult us. We are probably still too busy exploring every inch of the game world for its aesthetic and artistic beauty, atmospheric and musical oppulance, and architectural grandeur with our fourth characters to be competing this early with inferiors for glory.

Have no doubt like Ceaser and Rommel, Alexander and Napoleon, we Europeans shall not stop untill our victory is absolute, and our vanquished pay us hommage.

Good day to you, Gentle persons.

Prince Daniel · Jun 06, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Well yeah you say that but we really are just crap

john little · Jun 06, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

you can run into bad american teams and bad korean teams, on average i'd say the koreans are tougher from my experience. The other day i witnessed the incredible, it was our european team vs two korean teams and they didn't group up...needless to say the entire pug was shocked.

As for europeans being defensive, i think its more a case of thinking before doing stuff with strategies that alter during the match. A lot of american teams seem to have decided on one course of action and stick to it no matter what, even if they get completely wiped out.

eventhorizen · Jun 06, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

Well yeah you say that but we really are just crap

Well with that kind of outlook no wonder. A little hint for my southern neighbour, lay off the drink during a fight unless it will get the adrenaline pumping but still allow you to think. Try ADAPTING and changing your tactics when you lose, and not just charging back in angry. Stop thinking of GW as a slug fest, and more like a military strategy game with many different units and abilities, and remember that a single determined and cunning leader is of more value to you than 8 pumped up commando suicidal warriors, or aneamic peace loving monks.

If you lose a fight, it has nothing to do with whre you are from, and everything to do with YOUR abilities. Every loss is a personal insult to your intelligence and ability, and teamwork, and every victory is a signal of your mental and collective superiority over the foe.

This is a game about the mind, if you dont have one you are at a disadvantage. I reserve the right not to comment about the intellect of the English..

Zeroo · Jun 06, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Europe may be weak at this point but things will change...
If european players go to american world then so be it , its their choice.
Like eventhorizen said

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Have no doubt like Ceaser and Rommel, Alexander and Napoleon, we Europeans shall not stop untill our victory is absolute, and our vanquished pay us hommage.

WillOrWil · Jun 06, 2005, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by eventhorizen

You see once the initial rush of forum searching for strats and guides and ideas dies down, and the amazing effort of farming and trading uber items grind to a halt, im pretty confident the European mind will conquer. After all it killed the Neanderthals, clonised the ENTIRE world, created the atomic bomb, modern military strategy, and has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa.
Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today.

The European mind conquered the Neanderthals? So you basically are insulting all Europeans by calling them Cro-Magnons.

Europe colonized the entire world? So the indigenous peoples that lived in those "colonized" areas never "colonized" them.

Europe created the atomic bomb? What ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?

Europe created Modern Military strategy? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?

Europe has consistantly been the nucleus of learning, strategy, and intelligence for mankind since the time we left Africa? You have just insulted all Asians, Eastern Indians, Africans and Middle Eastern peoples by making the mistake of thinking "Eurocentrically". Of the four nationalities that I mentioned ALL OF THEM have richer, older and more complex civilizations than the Europeans.

Not to mention European military strategy dominates then gets copied by others, as has happened since before Alexander the Great all the way through to Roman times, and re-emerging again through the Renaissance, and past to German combat tactics in WWII to the Harrier Jump Jet and Airbus of today? What? Again, what ficticious history book are you reading? Everyone copies the military strategy of others. That has happened since the day individuals began to fight. Alexander the Great imitated the Persians. The Persians imitated him. Alexander learned from the Greeks. The Greeks learned from the Persians. The Persians learned from the Chinese. The Chinese learned from the Japanese. Etc...etc... That happened all the way through the Rennisance because of the Crusades. Want to talk about German tactics of WWII? Then you are NOT talking about German tactics, you are talking about Chinese tactics that Sun Tzu wrote.

'Nuff said.

evrqst123 · Jun 06, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I predict in the year 2006, GW causes World War III over control of the HoH.